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Mikael

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What is the right approach to Tanita lyrics
« on: July 31, 2006, 11:37:34 am »
If have always felt that Tanita's lyrics at least on the surface never made sense in a traditional way of expressing a story or emotions. (emotions that in simpler pop songs would be "I love you, but you don't love me etc. blah blah blah). I mean what does "You pig out till you have seen the light" mean?

As human beings I think we mostly understand the chaos of the world around us by putting it into order, arranging it, explaining it. I see most of Tanita's lyrics as such a chaos being presented to me, some of it makes sense immediately, some of it makes sense it the context, some of it makes sense when explained and lots of it doesn't seem to make sense or fit in. In this way I can kind of understand lyrics like "Only the ones we love".

Do you think it is right of me to try and bring order into Tanita's chaotic lyrics or am I thereby destroying the whole idea of it. Should I in stead just sit back and let the words flow all over me? What do you people do?

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Re: What is the right approach to Tanita lyrics
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2006, 09:26:44 pm »
Interesting question, and one I've thought about in the past as well, but never really articulated as well as you have done.

For me, i think each line makes sense in it's own right, and a small collection of lines also make sense in many songs, but when put together I cannot usually answer "what is this about?".

For example, Tanita will say that "Men and Women" is about "how we are together", but I don't get it from lines such "And the drag past, and the walk past, and the days last long, and your eyes shine and I see mine in them, and I see myself" - which are beautiful by the way.

I think I have stopped trying to wrestle with the overall meanings of Tanita's songs because (a) I haven't got there after 18 years of listening and (b) I'm not sure Tanita sees a song as having/needing one message or concept.  They are more collections of thoughts/ideas and evocations of feeling/emotion within an overall atmosphere of either/and/or playfulness, regret, pain, yearning etc.

With Sentimental, it's one of the first albums where I haven't been tempted to look too closely at her lyrics.  They are clear in two ways (1) they actually make sense and the language isn't complex and (2) the feeling of the song comes from the music and voice/temper rather than the words.

With TCS, I didn't look too closely at the lyrics because I felt that there wasn't much depth in many of the songs, although the melodies were nice.

With LITC, i was still looking for direct meaning from lyrics.  I think this is about the time I stopped doing that.  because around this time, I got famililar with some writings from Tanita about her songs, and the meanings within them (if she was being honest).  So, To Drink the Raindbow was "clarified", as was Elephant, Preyed Upon etc. etc.  And, unsurprisingly, I hadn't got that exact meaning from the music/words, but could see where she was coming from and it helped.

So, what I'm thinking is that I will not puzzle too much in future because (a) her songs do carry collections of meanings but mostly are impressions/moods and (b) i'm sure clarification will come at some point.

I mean, I think we're all a lot clearer about Twist in my Sobriety's meaning after she has clarified.  The idea that all these things are happening around you, yet you are almost in a trance, not reacting, not involved.  A sober, inactivated state.  None of the individual lines give this away, the whole collection does, but you are still unlikely to get it without a hint from Tanita.

Anyone want a guess at Heart in Winter?  It's hinting at death and heartbreak, but then has that optimistic and playful brass at the end.   ???

I'm sure others will be able to help us out  ;)
From the churchyard into your trust
To the talk that we must, we must rekindle
To the way I want you
To the way I don't want nothing from you
You know the soul of a man is many coloured
Soul of a man one to another
Wants you another day

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Re: What is the right approach to Tanita lyrics
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2006, 09:27:45 pm »
Welcome by the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   ;D
From the churchyard into your trust
To the talk that we must, we must rekindle
To the way I want you
To the way I don't want nothing from you
You know the soul of a man is many coloured
Soul of a man one to another
Wants you another day

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Re: What is the right approach to Tanita lyrics
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2006, 12:34:57 am »
I don't think a lot about Tanita's lyrics either. I always concentrate on the music, anyway. I'm just not that word-centric.

I don't remember what Tanita said about Twist for example, but for me it is simply a change of heart. One day you think what you did was ok, and the following day you think you were an idiot. And at both times you feel your judgement was a sober one. So you basicly accept the fact that your actions are never right or wrong, it is only your sobriety changing. But I have no idea what Tanita wanted to say with this song.

And of course there are certain images that just grab you, or bring back memories. Simple, trivial lines like "from the airport to be by your side", and you bild your own meaning around this one memory, and make the other lines fit to this memory, too. So it just becomes YOUR song, no matter what the artist wanted to say.

Or even I just grab the sound of certain words in a song, and that's totally enough for me to build up some vague impression about a it.

I don't remember when the last time was I tried to analyze any of her lyrics like a poem. Although I must admit she would deserve it.

Hints are important. Since I know that the Elephant is Tanita herself as a child, it seem terribly obvious.

Actually her older song are much harder to decipher. I almost have to say, sometimes they are a bit bullnutsy :) But I mean look at Beck's lyrics for example. The ultimate bullnuts, and yet... I think they are fantastic. Tanita compared to Beck is an open book :)

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Re: What is the right approach to Tanita lyrics
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2006, 02:12:47 pm »
Welcome Mikael , glad you found your way here from my Yahoo group ...  ;)

I'm like Cs.Andr

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Re: What is the right approach to Tanita lyrics
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2006, 08:18:44 pm »
Thanks for your replies guys and thank you for the welcome.
I guess I agree with you I don't want to worry too much about the lyrics.

But sometimes, like Cs Andr

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Re: What is the right approach to Tanita lyrics
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2006, 12:17:01 am »
The TT 'Songs from an Invisible Woman' songbook also has such comments ...
Some examples ...

"Swear By Me"
TT : 'The idea is of how fragile my story is & the world around me . I don't exist !!'

"Elephant"
TT : 'Primitive , insatiable hunger & awkwardness & ugliness & an unwillingness to give
       yourself to someone/thing - a deep , deep dread of sexuality .
       My ma jokes that I walk like an elephant ; I do indeed , but I don't think that's the same thing .'

"Out On The Town"
TT : 'What if you were homeless & fell in love on the street ? I think I should have pitched this to
       Hollywood & forgot my conscience .'

"Sunface"
TT : 'There is always hope & one day I will wake up & find myself nearer to love than yesterday . '

If you would like to read more , then just let me know .
I can also scan the pages , because Tanita makes some nice/funny doodles ...  ;)

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Re: What is the right approach to Tanita lyrics
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2006, 01:24:47 am »
Ahm... How come that the word bullsh*t miraculously became bullnuts? Geeez, are we reeeeeally that delicate? 

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Re: What is the right approach to Tanita lyrics
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2006, 01:26:38 am »
If you would like to read more , then just let me know .
I can also scan the pages , because Tanita makes some nice/funny doodles ...  ;)

Yes, more, more, more, please! :)

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Re: What is the right approach to Tanita lyrics
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2006, 02:01:23 am »
You can find a lot of TT's comments on her songs on Thomas' website:

http://tschmi1.privat.t-online.de/HomepageClassic01/statem.htm

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Re: What is the right approach to Tanita lyrics
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2006, 11:41:29 pm »
THIS IS A GREAT REMINDER FOR US.  THANKS KRZYSZTOF, PATRYK
I NEED TIME TO COMPLICATE YOU